Extended Comments: Twilight Talking Points 10.

In Alexis's blog she has some very strong feelings on Twilight.  I also have some strong feelings about the movie and New Moon.  In coming into the Twilight movies, my vampire experiance was Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  I was a very big fan of that show and knew more than one independent female from that show.  When I first so Twilight that background influenced greatly into how I view Twilight.
   Bella starts off as a seemingly independent girl. She wears the jeans and drives a beat up truck. In the book she is described as accident prone.  Right away that is a weaknesses that seems to be a driving force in getting her mixed up in all kinds of situations.  Alexis points out that Edward is constantley swooping in to save her from dumb female decisions. For example she goes off by herself in downtown Seattle and is met with a group of thugs in an alley.  Here comes the knight in shining armor Edward in his fast car. 
   I also notice how he is always emphasizing his strength. He is dangerous and cannot possibly control himself.  I have seen New Moon too and the same thing happens with Jacob.  Edward leaves and Bella just can't handle things without him.  She is rebellious and jumps of cliffs and Jacob comes along to save the day.  In this one the focus is more on Jacob who is constantly saying how he can protect her and offer her what Edward can't.  Bella can't have her own life without a guy showing her how to live and being her guide.
  I have heard the argument that Edward represents and earlier time as well.  It seems though in New Moon Jacob is a modern teenage boy but still contains some of those antiquated characteristics.  He goes back to the Native tradition that may be a part of that.  Also Mike the normal jock is portrayed as being kind of clueless. 
   It always bothers me too to see that Twilight has become so much of an phenomenon.  How much of this has to do with the looks of the males?  The actors constantly have their shirts off and are revered off screen.  Also I am uncomfortable with the ideas of love that it is sending.  I am bothered that Bella is so quick to want to give up her family, and a future to become a vampire.  He is really controlling, always knowing her whereabouts, and watching her as she sleeps.   Love is not shown as an equal partnership.  The female gives up things while the male gains.  I too don't want girls believing in these antiquated ideas of romance.
 I too cannot think of a real positive role model.  The most dominant female is Victoria who is the villain.  Why does being dominant and in control make a female character the villain?  The character of Alice seems like she could be a more positive  role model.  Even her thought is under watch from the male vampires.  There really is not a true positive role model.  I love the video that Alexis posted as I posted it near the beginning of this class.  http://www.thedeadbolt.com/news/105536/twilightbuffy_feature.php  This shows a good comparison of Buffy and Twilight.  Now I am curious about Vampire Diaries.  I have not seen that but I wonder where that fits in as I know it is popular too.  Buffy had Angel but she could stand up to Angel and kill him when she needed to. I think you saw Angel's side and symphasized with him.  She does have Giles as her guide but she also relies on her instinct and actually fights.  Willow is shown as a bit weak in the beginning of the series but she grows into a strong female character as well, with the help of witchcraft.  What is the appeal of Vampire literature and movie to teenagers?  How does this compare with the popularity of Harry Potter and those movies?

Talking Points 9: Hyperlinks: “How Being a Good Girl can Be Bad for Girls”, “Alice and Wonderland, and “Atalanta”

Hyperlinks:  “How Being a Good Girl can Be Bad for Girls”, “Alice and Wonderland, and “Atalanta”

                In the Tolman article the author discusses the war between being a good girl or a bad girl.  It is interesting that she describes the good girl as being “passive and threatened sexual objects” and the bad girl as “being sexual agents.. acting on their own sexual desires”.  The bad girl is portrayed as deviant and threatening.  Being a good girl seems to lead a girl to be easily taken advantaged off under the pressure of fitting into the ideal, virginal teenager.  Teenager girls are getting so many mixed messages on sexual behavior.  There are the Disney girls that have a good girl image on the shows, but behind the scenes display some bad girl traits.  Miley Cyrus’s Vanity Fair controversy comes to mind.  People freaked out because she was breaking that good girl image and showing that she may have some of that sexual agency.  The media portrayed that as being something threatening to teenager girls.  http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/asymmetric/2008/05/04/miley-cyrus-and-vanity-fair

In this blog by a author that claims that she was trying to get sexual attention for men, because who else was she doing that for.  Much of the media was critical of her while not thinking of the person who is a fifteen year old still figuring it out.  Being a good girl can make it harder to make mistakes or just have life lessons without the criticism, and when teenagers are holding these girls that are the same age to higher standards it is even more challenging to stay with the good girl image all the time.  Being comfortable with sexuality is not a bad thing.  

  In Alice and Wonderland, a girl growing up in the Victorian era is set for marriage.  Remembering the earlier movie makes it even more interesting.  She seems to have forgotten Wonderland and is only keeping it in her dreams.  In the movie she goes back to her childhood adventure as an adult. It is similar to the original with the crazy characters of Lewis Carroll's imagination.  I think this movie is interesting because the main villain is a female.  I notice that the villain female characters in texts are often dominant and contain some male characteristics.  I think of Sue Sylvester too. 

 Neither of them have men in their life.  Is that a commentary on what being a bad girl does?  They are alone but not lonely?  Although Sue has had some sensitive moments she seems confident and never backs down.  As you can see she is insulting, rude, and mean.  Despite that she is one of my favorite characters on Glee.  I think looking at the villain characters is an interesting look on the bad girls/ good girls dichotomy.  Maybe it is a commentary on where being defiant and assertive gets a girl.  Alice at the end is rewarded and does not get married.  She does get to see the world.  Like Atalanta, she gets to live a happily ever after and the viewer sees hope that she will be happy.  The butterfly appearing is symbolic of who she can be. 

  Atalanta is a free willed women too.  Her father is too set in tradition in a changing world.  Many teenagers are going through this.  http://www.teennick.com/videos/clip/degrassi-the-way-we-get-by-pt2-full-p9x.html  In this episode of Degrassi Alli is a Muslim teenage girl who is dealing with the conflict between her parents wanting tradition and her wanting to be like the teenage girls.  She was in previous episodes found to be sexually active and towards the bad girl ideal.  Once her parents found out she was sent to a all girls school where despite trying to be a good girl, is feeling torn.  This is a conflict that her brother also faces wanting to date non Muslim girls.  With Atalanta she is comfortable with travelling and not wanting to settle down. She wants to be smart and assertive.  This is a positive image for girls. It will be interesting to see what is in Alli's future.

  A summary video is Christina Aguilera's "Can't Hold Us Down"   This video seems to summarize well a lot of what Tolman's article said.  The idea of a women getting called a whore for being perceived as being sexually active and the man being praised is often seen in the world.  She is dressed and singing about the "bad girl" image, but it is seen as a positive thing. 

Points to Share:  How does the media portray the villains and the hero?  How does that relate to the Tolman article?

Another possible idea

I was thinking more about ideas and I thought about I was and still am a big buffy the Vampire Slayer fan, and this could be a project.  Comparing it to other similar shows like Vampire Diaries or Twilight could be something that could be explored.  THis show was one of the first shows that I saw showing a lesbian couple in a natural light.  Despite the vampires in witches there are a lot of the teenage idealogies that can be found in it.

Final project ideas for media project

  For the final project I seem to have a lot of possible ideas.  I like the analyzing movies through different decades ideas.  I mentioned Degrassi before in blogs but that could be something.  Their is the Degrassi that started in the 2000's.  Their is also an earlier version from the 1980s.  From this one show the past and the present could be compared in the themes and portrayels of teenagers. I would find it interesting to track down the old version.  Also some characters show up in the present version as parents or the principle.  Even in the 2000s it shows a big range.  Students move through Degrassi like a revolving door and new characters are introduced. 
http://www.teennick.com/shows/degrassi.  This has many of the recent episodes. 

Another idea I had was looking at music.  A lot of the class has been looking at tv shows and movies.  Music is another way that teenagers are being portrayed.  What are teenagers listening too and what kind of ideas are they sending.  We looked a bit at hip hop.  Maybe we can look at other popular music.  Artists like Taylor Swift and even Justin Bieber are really popular with the teenagers.  Some of the music and videos could be analyzed.  We could look at popular songs from the late 90's teen pop boy band explosion.  Analyzing the patterns could be very interesting.  with itunes it would be very easy to get the songs.

I am open to working in a group.  Some of these ideas could be a part of anything,